India’s ‘Vijay’ at Kargil

for war againt indians hindus and specially against those who r the enemies of Islam, Pakistani air force shooted down 119 air crafts of indians air force but we face the loss of only 16, our all forces attacked & kicked indians soldiers with fully force & power so thats the reason that indian army & those people whowere in indian forces accept that Pakistani armed forces r more desciplined forces as than indians & have most power as than indians but these things r only for minds who thinks..

Pakistan ZindaBad

Well Our politions hote hian yeh Stse kum nahin hotey apni seat bachaney ke liye isliye teri g***** ma8in l*** diye rakhen ge hum kiyun ke hum zinda nation hain aur hamari afwaaj brave hain jo tum log khud bhi mantey ho per tumhen 99 kargil nahin bhooley ga jis main bahut se indian soldiers bhag gaye aur indians ne unhen mahaweer chaker de ke rafoo chaker ker diya jo indians channel ne bhi maana ke yeh banda zinda hai jisey indians shaheed keh ke chaker werti de rahye hain. haha. GAY HIND

indiadon, what are you high on dude?

Operation Vijay was only successful because Pakistanis withdrew, not because India fought and won it.

well we miss and neglect hundred of occasions to defeat india while india got few chances and they used them.

There are two ‘truths’ about Kargil. The first one is the version of defeatist Pakistanis who can’t see us doing any good. And the second truth is the Indian one.
Surprisingly, some fair minded former Indian army officers are willing to give a balanced verdict on the Pakistani performance in Kargil than the ridiculous assessments of some defeatist and self-hating Pakistanis who have no problem making fun of their homeland and their military just because they differ politically with Gen. Pervez Musharraf.

I would like to give some of these defeatist Pakistanis a shock: The revealing statement to a Pakistani newspaper, The News, of an Indian army officer having something good to say about the Pakistani military capability as demonstrated in Kargil in 1999. Some of the defeatist, self-hating Pakistanis will find this difficult to swallow since they are more accustomed to criticizing Pakistan, not praising it.

Read the letter below by retired Col. Harish Puri from the Indian army’s Corps of Signals. He uses many of the Indian propaganda lines that raise doubts about the end result of the Pakistani operation, how the Indian people came together in those days to support their military, and how Islamabad underestimated the Indian response.

All propaganda points. But then he makes two points very clear that I wish some of those self-hating defeatist Pakistanis, especially the ones in our English-language liberal newspapers, read and feel some shame – just a little – about how they have been putting Pakistan down whenever discussing Kargil and facilitating the propaganda victory of the other side.

The two points that Col. Puri makes are:

It is correct to praise the brilliance of the Pakistani tactical maneuver of stealthily occupying the heights and the massive Indian intelligence failure exploited by the Pakistani military.

The Pakistani military in professional terms ranks among the best in the world, along with the Indian army according to Col. Puri. The implicit irony here is that India is fives times larger than Pakistan. For Islamabad to create this balance of power in just five decades is a Pakistani achievement.

This is not about clearing the name of Gen. Musharraf. History, and military analysts, will do that. Our job here is just to tell those few, self-bashing, defeatist-minded Pakistanis this: Please spare us your self-hatred. We are good at anything we want to be good at if we put our mind into it. Celebrate your strength instead of wallowing in your weaknesses.

Letters to the editor, The Current affairs, Karachi.

Sunday,

This is in reference to an article “Kargil — none years on” by Brigadier Sher Khan published in The News International newspaper on May 6. It was an absorbing article which transported me back to my days in the Indian army, and that particular conflict. My reflections, nine years on, focus on the utter futility of the whole exercise — it doesn’t matter which side you’re on, a soldier’s life is always precious, and sadly, expendable as well.

You’re right about the brilliance of the tactical manoeuvre of occupying the heights so stealthily, and about the massive intelligence failure on our part. But the
Pakistan army underestimated both the ferocity of the Indian reaction as well as the resolve of the Indian nation – never have I seen an entire population come together as one nation as in those days. That was heady stuff — a young Capt Vikram Batra declaring “Yeh dil maange more” only to lose his life the next day. And the bravado of Capt Kamal Sher Khan is the stuff legends are made of. But, in the ultimate analysis, to what end?

War is too dangerous a game to be left to generals alone. Fortunately in India, the civilians call the shots, and Vajpayee’s conscious decision not to allow his troops to cross the LoC was a major factor for India’s gaining the high moral ground.

But let us as army men salute the spirit of the soldiers on both sides — professionally, both our armies rank among the best in the world.

Col (retd) Harish Puri

Indian Army (Corps of Signals),

Pune, India

Pakistan won initially but lost the advantage when Nawaz made a deal with Clinton

Pakistan always win in battle ground but always lost in Table

Why is siachen so important to Indians?
Why is Pakistan obsessed with it?

Read it here
http://www.tejaswy.com/2009/07/05/kargil-war-10-years/